Swine flu pandemic ?

[phoenix10]

I Just bought vitamine c. It is one of the remidies. My mother always drank a glass of orange juce every day.

I have heard to take zink. I looked it up Meat has the most natural zink. also fish. zink is in cold and flue medicine.There was something else but I dont remember what grrr.

Does anyone remember norman cousins ? He healed himself of a dreaded disease twice with laughter. he watched alot of comidy. anything that made him feel good enough to laugh. and then he died

I have a confession to make. I really believe in the scripture and its healing power. I believe that lots of love and using the power of our God Given mind and the word or the spirit of the word Heals.

My mother always said that stress was the reason she got breast cancer. she said she could remember the day the time and the reason it came upon her. One day she said I will never alow stress in my life again.

remember the accident I was a witness too. I was blessing the children and that lady in the spirit and out loud.

I think I was harsh with kent. I am always trying to protect myself and I dont always know how to react. Besides. I'll bet alot of us pray healing on others and on ourselves calling on the powers of God. I think I just like to keep that part of my life subtle. I just dont want to be so forceful. But I would never want to hinder anyone else from their calling.

I think Dr Shullers sermon Is a good one to hear now and whenever we become weak because of stress and maybe from dissapointment we can remember and increase our faith which I have read scientifically improves our immune systems. I remember that sermon from years and years ago. I know I do. I think it had lived in my spirit all these years. a shield from doubt and fear. It has been one of those special motivations. It is one of the little things that made me think. or know I had to grow and opened myself to the possibility that all was not lost.

[markusw]

Over here healthy people die from the H1N1-virus. In Norway everybody get vaccinated, but there is not enough vaccines around yet - but there are plenty of sick people, so it has become a real hysteria.

Here there are lots of worries about the vaccine, who is to get it, and why the government give different advice than the swiss government. As far as I understand this is some basic facts:

The swine flu is milder or similar to a seasonal flu for about 99% of those who get it.
People with diabetes, lung-problems, heart-problems or being pregnant are in a high-risk group that are more likely to be seriously ill.
The seasonal flu generally kills old and sick people. Anyone born before 1950 (at least in Europe) may be immune due to H1N1-epedemics in the 40's and 50's, so the swine flu kill other people then the seasonal flu.

One day last week all of the kids in the kindergarten my kids go were sick, so the H1N1-virus spreads really rapidly. If a lot of people all get sick at once, the virus may have indirect effects that are far more serious then the influenza itself. My wife told me that for some time all the MR-specialists were sick or away, a situation that could have been fatal for people not having the flu.

So, the H1N1 virus is to be taken seriously, and maybe even a bit more serious then the seasonal flu unless you are old enough to be resistant to the H1N1 virus. I never take the seasonal flu vaccine, but with the swine flu I will/would if I had not already been sick.

God sometimes use sickness in mysterious ways, like with Job or in the quote below with Paul.

Gal 4.13-14
You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus

Originally Posted by markusw

God sometimes use sickness in mysterious ways, like with Job or in the quote below with Paul.

Gal 4.13-14
You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus

This bodily ailment Paul is talking about, might a person suppose it may be because of the stoning he was subjected to the day before?

Acts 14:19-20
19. And there came thither [certain] Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew [him] out of the city, supposing he had been dead. 20. Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.

It was soon after this stoning that Paul was referring to his ailment. These people were serious about stoning someone, and when they assumed a person dead, they were very sure the person was dead. But Paul rose up, and the next day traveled to Derbe, some 20 miles away. Could one suppose there may be some marks still present from that stoning? If Paul could get up and walk 20 miles, healing was taking place, but had not fully manifested yet.

[Johnv]

Lazarus still died. John and Luke, the Evangelists, died. All the people Jesus healed eventually died. Mary Magdeline, and Mary the mother of Jesus died. There's nothing in scripture that suggests they died due to disobedience, disbelief, etc. Death and illness are a normal part of living. They are not indicators of a person's faith or lack thereof. There is no scripture whatsoever that supports the notion that you can simply choose to not be sick.

[phoenix10]

When Paul was bit by a viper or an asp or whatever, He shook it off.
we will all die. its the in between that I am interested in too.
Well there are some people who think we will assend and what about the rapture?? Oh thats a different story.. I dont think that will happen to me except in my state of mind.

I just dont think we should say it isnt scriptural because sometimes we do choose life. And then things happen too that we dont choose. and we just have to accept. Paul was arresting Jews who were believers of Jesus. then he was struck off his horse and scales covered his eyes so that he could not see. but he heard the voice of Jesus. that is when he was afflicted and began to follow Jesus. I forgot who came to him laid hands on his eyes and the scales fell away.

he had to be struck blind so that he would hear.

[Johnv]

I'm not saying choosing life isn't scriptural. I'm saying it's not scripture to claim that a person can "choose" to not be sick. I'm further saying that the idea that one is sick due to to some notion of disobedience or lack of faith is totally off base with scripture.

[phoenix10]

well when you put it that way...ok...uuuummmm and .....

but it is a lie from hell that we should blame ourselves for getting sick or for not being healed or for not being able to heal someone, because of lack of faith. I agree